Are tie-downs and martingales unpromising?

well i use a tie down when i ride western b/c my horse gets a little a-head of himself when i don't,(oh and by the road im 14 so im not like fully grown so im a little causious about my very well being as well as his) i checked his bit and his saddle his mane his back have a vet check his muscles and bones etc. to make sure there be nothing causing pain and he said he be fine, he's a sweetheart on the ground , calm and what not has good manners while lunging and in that are days when he's perfect on a ride, but sometimes when i get on (especially now when its cold he holds his team leader high not like im about to reverse high but like ""i have no tie down on HAHAHAHHA i can do what i want"" kinda illustrious
so i used a tie down and he didn't care my friend who is a certified horse trainer said it was chill but like when i asked a quiz about it while getting a martingale for my horse while i ride english the lady at the saddle store was close to "OMG TIE-DOWNS AND MARTINGALES ARE HORSE TORTURE THEY ARE CRUEL BUT IF YOU WANT IT""

i was like ddamn lady chill\
but are they that fruitless??
No, they are fine! As long as your horse doesn't hold a problem with them, it's no big deal!

Agreed they are not bad at all! You want to have a feeling safe if your horse is responding positively to them keep them, whether your horse seems to be acting out while using them try something else or take him to a trainer for help!
they are not bad at all! i have to use one on my standardbred mare or she will knock my teeth out... she easily carries her head super high but she looks charming doing it... shes just a proud horse... a martingale is more for a horse that will easily adjust its headset - so if you horse keep a tie down pulled tight i wouldnt suggest bothering with a martingale just strap that tie down on and ride past its sell-by date into the sunset! but dont feel bad - i have to put chains on my Tennessee Walker colt's subsidise feet for HIS well being - he's really workshy and no matter what i do he will NOT wake up and pick his feet up - hes be vet checked and farrier does what he can but he still drags his feet... people thinks it denote but it just adds extra bulk and he gets a nice leg/foot rub when we get home... lol apposite luck!
No, they are not bad at adjectives!! I use one with the horse I ride.
They can be abusive if used by someone who doesn't understand how they function. They are not a apposite idea to use, since they develop the wrong muscles of the neck, and encourage poll flexion at the wrong vertebral mutual. the standing martingale teaches nothing, so the only defence ever to use it is usually to prevent a poorly trained horse from hitting you in the face next to his head. When it is too short, it is capable of inflicting a great deal of defile to the neck tissues and nerves. The running martingale should never be used on any curb bit, and when used with the snaffle, should only be used for brief period at most if using it as a training aid. I don't find them necessary ever, but I take the time to train a horse correctly and don't rely on devices to speed up that process. A correctly trained horse can accomplish in any discipline without ever needing his person in charge restrained by martingales.
Personally, i would never use one because I believe that you should work through the issue instead of just covering it up with another piece of long as the horse have enough room to strech out its neck and move freely, tie-downs are not completely cruel.they can, in some cases, impede on the horses be a foil for and movement and interfere with their ability to regain their balance, which within the end could be more danger to you than a high boss set...

I find that in using a martingale or a tie-down the horse is constantly FIGHTING against you and the tie down or martingale...not really what I think of as a team or a musical tones.
Answers:    No never, they work wonders, i have no idea why she would say nearby where bad. She must either really not know horses powerfully or doesn'tt know what they do. Tie-downs and martingales are some of the best items you can use when training a horse not to raise/lift it's head high in the heavens while doing work. I have over 15 martingales + tie-downs and they have worked wonders on all of my horses. I would unequivocally
invest in one or a couple.
They're not bad, but I would try to work through the issue first before putting extra tack on to cover it up. If you involve one, though, there is absolutely nothing wrong beside them as long as they are properly adjusted. They are certainly NOT horse torture - watch any showjumping event on TV and oodles of the horses will have martingales on (english tie-downs.) 2 horses I used to ride wore martingales/tie downs. One because she used to throw her head up, grab the bit and run and the other because he loved to backside. (It didn't fully prevent him from rearing but it encouraged him to keep his head down, which wasn't so perfect for the
no they are only bad if used incorrectly.

Tie downs are essenial for abundant rodeo events as well as gymkana. A tie-down helps the horse to balance when turning at highspeeds. It also give the horse something to brace against.

Of course any equiptment can be turned bad if used incorrectly or abusively but this situation does not sound close to that is the case. A tie-down for solving a high guide is not always the best solution, but in some cases is the only one. As long as your horse respects the tie-down and will not flip over backwards when it is on, at hand is absolutely nothing wrong with using it.

I ride a few horses that want a tie-down because they are so used to wearing one that they are always searching for it and can not be easily controlled in need it.

As for the martingale...
This is not a bad device either. It can be used in an inapropriate agency, but as long as it is used correctly it is fine. The only thing is you dont want your horse to become dependent on a martingale as it is dangerous to ride within the trails with one on. Other than that i find them very useful to use approximately once a week to remind my show horses where their heads are supposed to be.

Good luck with your horse and enjoy fun!
Tie downs and martingales are only bad when used incorrectly. I used to use one on my horse because sometimes when he spooked he would throw his head so illustrious he would nearly whack me in the face. If you use one, make certain it is not holding the horse's head down. It should be fitted so that the horse can still raise his nose above the vertical, but not so loose that he can fling his person in charge up and be dangerous. The purpose of these tools is to prevent the horse from raising his head markedly high, not to hold it down in a "correct" position. If your horse is just illustrious headed and not flinging his head around, I would not ride him in one. I would focus on tuition him to lower his head himself and I think you will be very jovial with the change you will see in him. Not individual will he start lowering his head but the action will also get him listen to you better, calming down more, and working towards a more supple frame. A tie down or martingale does not teach the horse to properly carry himself when used to hold the organizer down. In fact, it can improperly develop the muscles.

ADD: The reason profusely of people say they are bad is because too plentiful people rely on them to keep a horse's head down and do not focus on in fact fixing the problem.
No absolutely not it's like wearing a shoulder brace to keep you have nice posture.

All a martingale or tie down does is keep the horse from rebelling and escaping the pull of the bit. I am an extremely vanished wing animal activist and i can't even find anything wrong with a martingale!

It isn't a matter of aggression your horse trumping or defeating it. Yes, training to go onto the bit should come first in a not dangerous ring. But when out at a show in the field or even when riding with other horses or raucous distractions a horse may need a reminder to keep their head down. It's close to youur teacher in school adage kids come on pay attention while noisy kids pass the door contained by the hall. Some people will say she's a shudder for always telling you to pay attention. If she didnt dispense you that reminder though, you might forget to keep paying attention and then when you're call on the consequence is bigger even though all it would have taken to avoid that trouble is a quick reminder.

Also standing martingales aren't unkind, the horse's upward director movement is limited but while relaxing that isn;t even a natural movement. The horse can put their head low satisfactory to eat grass and just relax, it's full neck extension may be constrained by a few inches. A few inches of limitation during the 30 to 60 or so minutes they will be wearing it is so not a big deal.

I think until that time people start preaching on martingales they should address chains used on hooves to force them to cary their hooves high, "show" horses left surrounded by stalls so when taken into the driving or breeding show they are very alert and happy to finally be out of their stall, altered tails as to be held illustrious... aren't these all much more significant things?? A horse in any of the above situations would be beyond bright and breezy to escape that at the expense of wearing a martingale every day.
They are bad in the wrong hands.

What they are are training devices. Ideally, they should be used to assistance you work through an issue, IF needed, not to cover up the issue. However, if you are just trail riding and not showing, it's certainly not dishonest and not necessarily a bad thing. If your horse isn't bothered with it and you aren't tightening it so much that it affects his usual way of going (other than the giraffe head!), it's not going to "torture" him. As you said, your well-being is also important, and whether he needs that "help" to remind him not to be a giraffe (which could be dangerous to you), go for it.

Keep surrounded by mind though that horses do become dependent on those. If you slap on a tie-down and make no effort to fix the genuine issue, then it's going to be just as bad or worse when you give somebody a lift the tie-down off. So if you ever plan on showing him, you definitely own to fix the issue since you can't show in a tie-down (in performance events, anyway).

But in answer to your cross-question, no, you aren't abusing your horse unless you are forcing his head way down and making him discomfited :).
i believe until you can fix the problem that you should use one as some horses do need it. i have a tb and he throws his skipper high in annoyance over having the reins at my length to bring him to hold himself better. so the martingale ONLY effects him when he throws a hissy fit.

martingales are not meant to hold the head down and were not invented to do so, they are to lately have a limit to how high or low the horse can throw its pave the way when you are in contact with the horses mouth by having a soft rein near the horse. when you have the reins at a mid to long length theres no purpose for the martingale, you need good contact to cause it effective.

people can get confused just about this thinking that it restricts the horse but its the rider that restricts the horse by using it how they use it.

but when you can fix the problem its just a piece of tack that you don't have to use, in the meantime, we are cheery with it

I myself feel defeated by the horse if I find myself inept to properly control them without a tie down (a 'standing martingale' in English tack terms) If you would like to try a in the middle point between an actual tie down vs. nothing, I would suggest you try a 'running martingale" or "training fork". It has metal rings that slide up and down the reins and I surface is kinder than a standing M. because the horse can stretch his neck out when you are relaxed-walking him, but you have more control over his head when you ride on contact.

I also am reluctant to use any bit save for snaffles (I can feel the horse through my hands) because curbs just never felt right to me and I wouldn't necessitate a curb on horses other people needed curbs on.

Also he may be "cold backed" on those cold days. Try lunging him about 10 - 15 min to get his muscles warm up and he may go more relaxed for you...worth a try, right?
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