Help near re training my horse. ?
I have a 4 year old Appy that I am trying to train. I bought her and they said she had 90 days or more on her. She unsophisticatedly had nothing to show for that time on her. I got her worked her and after sent her to a trainer to finish her. She came back just duplicate way I sent her there. I have be working her and a friend worked her once. IN that one time she was a different horse. Wish he could work her more but do to issues he cant. I have been riding her surrounded by a wire snaffle as she walks right threw the D ring snaffle. She listens okay to the chain snaffle but is not doing what she should. I just had to give her a month bad do to a leg injury and she is not doing good at all. When I ride her she will throw her head up and a short time ago chomp at the bit. She also try'sto run threw it. What do you rerecommendsI am hoping to meet the trainer that is at the new boarding facility where on earth i just moved to, to see what she says. I need back I hate to see this horse turn to a pile of crap. I cant afford training for her at the moment as I had just put 2000 into training on her. PLease Help
Wire bits are VERY severe, advanced bits. They're not usually used for breaking or training a horse, they're used with horses that are already trained. Green horses are apt to make mistakes, to grab the pit, and to try to play near it. This contact should all be encouraged, because we want them comfortable with something contained by their mouth. A wire bit will cut the insides and corners of her mouth, though, punishing her for learning. As a result, you'll start seeing head tossing, going above the bit to try to avoid the pressure, and potentially behavior fits resembling bucking or rearing in attempt to get away from the strain.
My advice is to take a few steps back. It seem some people have made some mistakes with this horse, so you requirement to be extra patient and sensitive to her needs. Ditch the chain snaffle and pick up a rubber, jointed full-cheek. Also get yourself a surcingle and a pair of side reins. You should go rear legs to basics with this mare, teaching her that riding can be fun, rewards, and not itchy.
Your first time lunging her in the new bit, put the surcingle on and adjust the side reins so they're at the loosest setting. There shouldn't be any tension between the bit and the surcingle. She desires to get used to all the equipment before you start tally pressure in her mouth. Do a light lunge session with her for in the order of twenty minutes. Let her walk and get used to the bit. Reward with lots of compliment and possibly even a lump of sugar when she responds to your voice commands. Basically, make these first sessions fun and positive.
After about a week, you can start shortening the side reins at a snail`s pace until there's light contact with her mouth. I love side reins. The contact they provide is always regular. Unlike your hands, a surcingle will never jerk the horse in the mouth. That's why this method is so well brought-up in helping horses learn proper balance and to adopt the bit. Now, because your horse is used to such a severe bit and has been through some rough patches, she may fray the bit and put her head up. Just keep her moving forward, whatever she does. I do these sessions nearly entirely at the trot. No cantering until she can hold the frame at the walk and trot. When she starts to accept the bit, compliment her.
Gradually you should see your horse relax and accept the bit. When she can do twenty minutes of walk-trot-canter on the lunge in a balanced frame, after you're ready to get on her again. Most horses try to run through a bit because they're afraid or they're anticipating something. When you make your sessions short, positive, and fun, the horse tend to relax and you shouldn't have as many problems. Obviously this is only a rough guide, and the length of time I suggest are just that: suggestions. Depending on your horse, you may have to move slower. I other advocate patience with breaking and starting any horse.
Not been funny but the horse has be trained to their ways and style in their environment, she is now back next to you and so thinks its back to the way things be.
This is why I don't agree with sending horses away to be trained,.
This is the same as problem horses be sent away for loading training etc, when they get back within the old environment unless the owner was there at a residential doing the training it is rear legs to square 1 in a very short time.
Answers: First bad Bits are not automatically severe, A riders hands make a bit severe. I will say that abiding bits are for advanced and educated hands and basic training should be done surrounded by a mild, plain, copper or sweet iron O-ring or full cheek snaffle. Education is the most important thing give or take a few bits and bit mechanics. The basic process goes, into the saddle, round penning, erudition all 3 gaits comfortably, into the snaffle, teaching lateral flextion, long bin liner, ground driving, teaching turning left, right, backing, this will also inculcate some poll flextion when moving forward in your gaits..at this point I havent even gotten on yet.this is merely basic ground work. I want to see softness, responsiveness to my cues through the lines while im long lining..I will have qualified voice cues walk, cluck for a jog or trot and a kiss for a lope or canter. I will be doing some biting up to increase poll flextion and collection and round penning Once I know the horse is responding resourcefully and can turn with the slightest touch, is bending and listening well can whoa on a dime, vertebrae up, turn on the forehand , turn on the haunches, side-pass, I do these things just in a halter and lead..trot by my side...very soon im thinking I can have a successful ride. This process on the ground can take anywhere from 2 to 3 weeks up to a month, that all depends on the horses progress...one-sidedly if you dont know how to do these thing successfully and cannot afford a trainer to HELP you.I dont take training horses unless the owners commit to coming out and research what i am teaching their horse. Look into Clinton Andersons DVD's Ebay has them at a reasonable price. I decision you the best of luck and hope things turn out good for you and your horse. Be Safe
a flex snaffle is too severe, especially if you're retraining a horse. you want a horse to learn how to reply to the lightest pressure possible. that means you start at the lightest touch and slowly ask a little harder each time. when the horse responds, RELEASE. horses revise from the release, not the nag of the pressure.
i would check your tack. made sure the saddle fits. she could be throwing her head because it's pinching her withers or shoulder. and engender sure the bridle it adjusted correctly. if the bit is too lofty or too low, it can cause pain, resulting in a guide toss.
but if all this checks out, and you really do have a training problem, look at books by jessica jahiel. she have all the ones to suit whatever need you want.
i can't really administer you more advice than that, since you weren't really specific. as for walking through the bit, use the increasing pressure and release method. ask first with your body, then a small touch on the reins, later ask a little harder each time. when she stops, reward her. keep doing this A LOT. the cure for a deceased mouth is NOT a harsher bit. they need retraining which is what you've been doing. if one method doesn't work, try another! and remember to ALWAYS make available her clear signals and definitely keep it humane!
If you are using a wire snaffle after it's time to regroup. A twisted wire snaffle is one bit I would never have in my tack room.
I am not certain what issues you are having with your horse but the odds are a paragraph isn't going to smooth everything out for you besides.
Did your trainers spend anytime teaching you what they were teaching the horse?
Time to start building your toolbox. John Lyons is a obedient solid instructor. His videos are great and easy to understand. He doesn't sugarcoat or dispense equipment cutesie names so he has a product to sell. Start educating yourself.
There are plentiful great trainers out there. The best have three things in common----- they are Honest, Humble and Humane.
